I was very active in the group. I think I had like 25,000 points or something. One day a woman was asking about debt and cash flow. I advised her to seriously consider her cash flow and the risks of credit card stacking (we just pulled a second mortgage because we were drowning in interest from 8 credit cards). I said I did wish there was more info about cash flow in the RM course, but she could learn more about it from H10.
My innocent comment was deleted and I was accused privately of “bashing”. After that, I decided not to renew my membership, but still had a few weeks left in the group. I had made many friends and so posted that I was thankful for my experience and would be continuing my journey, but was moving on from Rainmakers. I was hoping to connect with the friends I made before I left. I never spoke ill of Rainmakers in any post or comment. Within an hour, I was removed from the group and my gratitude filled goodbye was deleted.
I remember you in that group and you’re always posting positive messages and just being very responsive and trying to help everyone out I hope that you can get out of debt as soon as possible. I can’t imagine having to deal with all that and it’s unfortunate that they just kicked you out for you just expressing yourself to the group which is what you’re supposed to be doing and these Facebook Facebook groups.
Thank you Maggie! It was really grieving to me. I trusted them. I try to remain in a place of non-judgment because I don’t know them personally. But I’m still dismayed that they continue to promote their program so deceptively. I really don’t like to see moms and families struggle financially, so I think if they won’t willingly pivot and heed the cries of so many dissatisfied women, something should be done. 🙏🏼
Not only did they kick you out of the Facebook group, but before that, they bombarded you with countless emails, constantly pushing for more money, extra add-ons, new business opportunities, and even offering “free” calls. It was ridiculous! I feel embarrassed that I fell for their misleading promises and deception. I truly respect you, Nicole, for what you’re doing here—I know this journey hasn’t been easy to navigate, but you’re doing it. I’m grateful, and so many of us are! ❤️ your courage and determination is inspiring.
I honestly thought we had lifetime access also. But after the year, I bought into the monthly plan just to be in the FB group. After months of that, I decided I needed to be better with cutting expenses & I stopped being in the group. I’ve lost so much $ from joining & selling in Amazon. Bought a Done For You that flopped from the beginning but I still have it listed. Bought into the credit card thing because they would give me high credit limit to get the business going. Now I’m in a program that is helping make settlements with my cards because I can’t pay the debt. I ran my own business debt free for 17 years & then got into this platform & couldn’t earn a dollar even by following their done-for-you process & spending numerous hours studying how to succeed with it.
I’m so incredibly sorry this has been your experience. Unfortunately, it seems like this is the case for the majority of people who have gone through their program. Their advice is poorly thought out and often misguided. I imagine they may have started with good intentions, but it seems like greed took over. They’ve caused so many families—especially mothers—to fall into significant debt.
Have you tried requesting a refund for both their program and the DFY? You absolutely have grounds to ask for one. If you haven’t already, I’d strongly recommend pursuing that route.
They also conveniently failed to disclose that the length of their mastermind was limited to 1 year. I thought it was lifetime access and didn’t find out it wasn’t until several months in.
My favorite was when they kicked me out days after I renewed my annual membership because I commented on someone’s farewell post about a group of us ladies chatting outside of Rainmakers and encouraged the mom leaving mastermind to connect with us for additional support for her business. Suddenly I was “competing against” Stephen and taking his business. And then he had spies screenshot and send him posts from a non RM group where I expressed my disbelief. I was devastated because I believed in RM at the time and after much back and forth he let me back in but I was to never comment anything but glowing support of his program. Ughhhh
I never posted concerns because I didn’t want to get removed or silenced in the group.
Before Rainmakers, I bought into a Pinspiration franchise and ran it for less than two years. The CEO controlled FB post within our franchise owners group. He stopped having round table meetings by zoom because he didn’t like hearing our concerns &/or advice He would silence and criticize every owner if he didn’t like their feedback. No one had a voice. Yet he wasn’t helping anyone have a successful business. Basically this same Rainmaker situation. Except with my franchise ownership, everyone was stuck in a rental lease for 3-5 year terms unless they filed for bankruptcy. That’s scary. Thankfully, my Pinspiration business was in a commercial property that I owned, not leased. So I was able to get out and not be further in debt from buying into Pinspiration than everyone else was. And the crazy thing, so many families have lost everything too and the CEO continues to scam people into purchasing and then they are stuck wondering how they were so tricked. We haven’t had any luck with pursuing a lawsuit. Many Pinspiration owners joined together & the lawyer that was brought in made it seem that nothing would come from it. We had an overflow of scamming evidence, false promises, misleading claims of successful locations (none have been successful), silenced & controlled environment, lack of accountability, lack of resources, & the CEO has a bad business track record. Basically, he shouldn’t still be scamming people to buy a franchise from him, but somehow all our claims wouldn’t be enough to fight it. We were in the same boat I see these Rainmaker people in. At the end of the day, we just want it shut down so no other families lose what we lost when we bought into it all. So no other families go bankrupt, divorce, and all the things that you thought wouldn’t happen if you were following the directions as followed.
Wow! That is way out of line. I didn't realize how bad the censorship is. I remember when I made a post about my disappointment with Prime Corp (the company they recommended handling our taxes). My post got deleted and Coach Nicole DeFelice Pmd me privately and got me connected to someone from Prime directly. I did get direct access and had almost VIP treatment from this person but I thought that was wrong because the members need to know honest feedback on the companies they recommend. I just requested cancelation of my membership and after a few back and forth they finally agreed to cancel it. I am planning on doing a live on the group before my membership expires just to give my honest review. I am hoping it would at least show to a few people and I can share what I would change if I had a chance to go back. Number 1 would be to not put anything on my credit cards.
Exactly. I couldn’t believe the funding plan they pushed as an “added bonus” where the company they referred to got people to get multiple huge credit card limits and then charged an up front fee that was a percentage of what they were approved for. RED FLAG going even more into debt without any successful product to help recoup the costs. I’m so glad I joined when it was $3000 and not $5000 or $10k. I think their biggest payouts for S&C are the affiliate pay they get from convincing everyone to subscribe to Helium 10 and all their other affiliate programs. Like the constant subtle prompts for people to use their chrome extension which I’m sure allows them to get affiliate pay for any number of sites people shop from.
I know they just announced another recommendation the other day about Truly Free Affiliate or something. It's another platform like Amazon. And it's almost like MLM. You get 100% of the sign up fee of $29 of the person you recommended plus a commission for whatever they buy on the platform for 6 months I think. Can you imagine how much commission they are getting for selling this on RM platform? It's so tempting but knowing what I know now, I'm sure there's so much more to it thathan what is dangled in front of us. It's just never ending. I can't believe we even bought into the crypto thing he recommended before too. I feel like what Nicole said... "bamboozled" and smithened... like I'm under a spell and they can't go wrong in my eyes.
I was blinded. I really liked my coach and had felt connected to several other women in the group. We believed in RM and felt we were doing okay selling on Amazon. I had made money. A lot actually. Mostly from drop shipping which I first heard of in RM and it was great money for my household. I couldn’t believe how easy it was to do and actually “limited myself” to $4500 profit a month with Dropshipping as I could still have free time. I felt I was helping other women and didn’t want to walk away or get kicked out. I felt Mischaracterized and didn’t want to part under that image. That should’ve been a red flag but I thought I had more to learn on how to run my Amazon business. So I begged you to be allowed to stick around. What I learned was it wasn’t actually profitable if you have to pay a fortune in ppc and people to run that for you. I’m now selling way less per money on Amazon but not wasting it all on ppc. Rather profit $200 a month than hustle and sell 1000s but see no profit.
For the first time I finally feel a sigh of relief. I know so many were struggling but when I tried to remain positive I knew I was going farther and farther into debt with no more support after my “year” was over. My personal coach time was useless because she was gone most of that time in another country. She was really more of a cheerleader. And the product i spent soo much money developing was a flop and too expensive for me to get made. Their promises have left me in the midst of a divorce, insane debt, no business, 6 different “moon shelf” prototypes in my basement with no financial security in my future. I hate that I fell for it. And really I still feel like they honestly can’t see how horrible this has turned out & how devastated they have left thousands of women.
How do we get a copy of the contract we signed? I never did receive a copy of it from RM and I have no idea who to reach out to in that group. I have reached out to the legal team and they need a copy of it.
I am officially caught up from binge reading and taking all this in. My initial feelings are of immense gratitude and VALIDATION. I am a 2020 MM, Inner circle, and lots of other 'this and that' offerings. In the end I have immense knowledge, mostly of what not to do, but sadly not a penny richer. Luckily I can provide for my family which I am grateful for. My story is a roller coaster even being threatened by what felt like the Chinese mafia, but for now I am taking all this in and acknowledging and appreciating some validation. Because I haven't felt that in a while. Failure and shame has been the more frequent visitor.
I had not been to TrustPilot in a long time to read the reviews. I feel horrible for all the 5 star reviews. I know they must be new, only did the "challenge" course, or are still in the honeymoon stage.... but they are misleading so many people!
I remember when I went through the 7 day challenge that Stephen encouraged us to post good reviews and I have noticed that all the good reviews seem to be about the challenge.
I also passed it along to some of the girls in my pod who have had negative experiences thank you so much for giving us a way to fight back and a voice
Thank you for the resources Nicole. It’s amazing to have you on our side, not only speaking out but giving us ways to fight back against their misleading business practices.
I was very active in the group. I think I had like 25,000 points or something. One day a woman was asking about debt and cash flow. I advised her to seriously consider her cash flow and the risks of credit card stacking (we just pulled a second mortgage because we were drowning in interest from 8 credit cards). I said I did wish there was more info about cash flow in the RM course, but she could learn more about it from H10.
My innocent comment was deleted and I was accused privately of “bashing”. After that, I decided not to renew my membership, but still had a few weeks left in the group. I had made many friends and so posted that I was thankful for my experience and would be continuing my journey, but was moving on from Rainmakers. I was hoping to connect with the friends I made before I left. I never spoke ill of Rainmakers in any post or comment. Within an hour, I was removed from the group and my gratitude filled goodbye was deleted.
I remember you in that group and you’re always posting positive messages and just being very responsive and trying to help everyone out I hope that you can get out of debt as soon as possible. I can’t imagine having to deal with all that and it’s unfortunate that they just kicked you out for you just expressing yourself to the group which is what you’re supposed to be doing and these Facebook Facebook groups.
Thank you Maggie! It was really grieving to me. I trusted them. I try to remain in a place of non-judgment because I don’t know them personally. But I’m still dismayed that they continue to promote their program so deceptively. I really don’t like to see moms and families struggle financially, so I think if they won’t willingly pivot and heed the cries of so many dissatisfied women, something should be done. 🙏🏼
Not only did they kick you out of the Facebook group, but before that, they bombarded you with countless emails, constantly pushing for more money, extra add-ons, new business opportunities, and even offering “free” calls. It was ridiculous! I feel embarrassed that I fell for their misleading promises and deception. I truly respect you, Nicole, for what you’re doing here—I know this journey hasn’t been easy to navigate, but you’re doing it. I’m grateful, and so many of us are! ❤️ your courage and determination is inspiring.
I honestly thought we had lifetime access also. But after the year, I bought into the monthly plan just to be in the FB group. After months of that, I decided I needed to be better with cutting expenses & I stopped being in the group. I’ve lost so much $ from joining & selling in Amazon. Bought a Done For You that flopped from the beginning but I still have it listed. Bought into the credit card thing because they would give me high credit limit to get the business going. Now I’m in a program that is helping make settlements with my cards because I can’t pay the debt. I ran my own business debt free for 17 years & then got into this platform & couldn’t earn a dollar even by following their done-for-you process & spending numerous hours studying how to succeed with it.
I’m so incredibly sorry this has been your experience. Unfortunately, it seems like this is the case for the majority of people who have gone through their program. Their advice is poorly thought out and often misguided. I imagine they may have started with good intentions, but it seems like greed took over. They’ve caused so many families—especially mothers—to fall into significant debt.
Have you tried requesting a refund for both their program and the DFY? You absolutely have grounds to ask for one. If you haven’t already, I’d strongly recommend pursuing that route.
They also conveniently failed to disclose that the length of their mastermind was limited to 1 year. I thought it was lifetime access and didn’t find out it wasn’t until several months in.
Me too!! I could have SWORN I heard them say somewhere “lifetime access”. Maybe not but ugh.
I totally agree if I didn’t read about it in a members comment I would have never known this !!!
Same.
Same!
My favorite was when they kicked me out days after I renewed my annual membership because I commented on someone’s farewell post about a group of us ladies chatting outside of Rainmakers and encouraged the mom leaving mastermind to connect with us for additional support for her business. Suddenly I was “competing against” Stephen and taking his business. And then he had spies screenshot and send him posts from a non RM group where I expressed my disbelief. I was devastated because I believed in RM at the time and after much back and forth he let me back in but I was to never comment anything but glowing support of his program. Ughhhh
This is illegal… he literally cannot do this. We have to stand up against this
I’ve wondered if this was legal or not.
I never posted concerns because I didn’t want to get removed or silenced in the group.
Before Rainmakers, I bought into a Pinspiration franchise and ran it for less than two years. The CEO controlled FB post within our franchise owners group. He stopped having round table meetings by zoom because he didn’t like hearing our concerns &/or advice He would silence and criticize every owner if he didn’t like their feedback. No one had a voice. Yet he wasn’t helping anyone have a successful business. Basically this same Rainmaker situation. Except with my franchise ownership, everyone was stuck in a rental lease for 3-5 year terms unless they filed for bankruptcy. That’s scary. Thankfully, my Pinspiration business was in a commercial property that I owned, not leased. So I was able to get out and not be further in debt from buying into Pinspiration than everyone else was. And the crazy thing, so many families have lost everything too and the CEO continues to scam people into purchasing and then they are stuck wondering how they were so tricked. We haven’t had any luck with pursuing a lawsuit. Many Pinspiration owners joined together & the lawyer that was brought in made it seem that nothing would come from it. We had an overflow of scamming evidence, false promises, misleading claims of successful locations (none have been successful), silenced & controlled environment, lack of accountability, lack of resources, & the CEO has a bad business track record. Basically, he shouldn’t still be scamming people to buy a franchise from him, but somehow all our claims wouldn’t be enough to fight it. We were in the same boat I see these Rainmaker people in. At the end of the day, we just want it shut down so no other families lose what we lost when we bought into it all. So no other families go bankrupt, divorce, and all the things that you thought wouldn’t happen if you were following the directions as followed.
Wow! That is way out of line. I didn't realize how bad the censorship is. I remember when I made a post about my disappointment with Prime Corp (the company they recommended handling our taxes). My post got deleted and Coach Nicole DeFelice Pmd me privately and got me connected to someone from Prime directly. I did get direct access and had almost VIP treatment from this person but I thought that was wrong because the members need to know honest feedback on the companies they recommend. I just requested cancelation of my membership and after a few back and forth they finally agreed to cancel it. I am planning on doing a live on the group before my membership expires just to give my honest review. I am hoping it would at least show to a few people and I can share what I would change if I had a chance to go back. Number 1 would be to not put anything on my credit cards.
Exactly. I couldn’t believe the funding plan they pushed as an “added bonus” where the company they referred to got people to get multiple huge credit card limits and then charged an up front fee that was a percentage of what they were approved for. RED FLAG going even more into debt without any successful product to help recoup the costs. I’m so glad I joined when it was $3000 and not $5000 or $10k. I think their biggest payouts for S&C are the affiliate pay they get from convincing everyone to subscribe to Helium 10 and all their other affiliate programs. Like the constant subtle prompts for people to use their chrome extension which I’m sure allows them to get affiliate pay for any number of sites people shop from.
I know they just announced another recommendation the other day about Truly Free Affiliate or something. It's another platform like Amazon. And it's almost like MLM. You get 100% of the sign up fee of $29 of the person you recommended plus a commission for whatever they buy on the platform for 6 months I think. Can you imagine how much commission they are getting for selling this on RM platform? It's so tempting but knowing what I know now, I'm sure there's so much more to it thathan what is dangled in front of us. It's just never ending. I can't believe we even bought into the crypto thing he recommended before too. I feel like what Nicole said... "bamboozled" and smithened... like I'm under a spell and they can't go wrong in my eyes.
Wow that crazy I wouldn’t even want to be back in a the group and demand a refund. You don’t deserve that type of treatment
I was blinded. I really liked my coach and had felt connected to several other women in the group. We believed in RM and felt we were doing okay selling on Amazon. I had made money. A lot actually. Mostly from drop shipping which I first heard of in RM and it was great money for my household. I couldn’t believe how easy it was to do and actually “limited myself” to $4500 profit a month with Dropshipping as I could still have free time. I felt I was helping other women and didn’t want to walk away or get kicked out. I felt Mischaracterized and didn’t want to part under that image. That should’ve been a red flag but I thought I had more to learn on how to run my Amazon business. So I begged you to be allowed to stick around. What I learned was it wasn’t actually profitable if you have to pay a fortune in ppc and people to run that for you. I’m now selling way less per money on Amazon but not wasting it all on ppc. Rather profit $200 a month than hustle and sell 1000s but see no profit.
For the first time I finally feel a sigh of relief. I know so many were struggling but when I tried to remain positive I knew I was going farther and farther into debt with no more support after my “year” was over. My personal coach time was useless because she was gone most of that time in another country. She was really more of a cheerleader. And the product i spent soo much money developing was a flop and too expensive for me to get made. Their promises have left me in the midst of a divorce, insane debt, no business, 6 different “moon shelf” prototypes in my basement with no financial security in my future. I hate that I fell for it. And really I still feel like they honestly can’t see how horrible this has turned out & how devastated they have left thousands of women.
How do we get a copy of the contract we signed? I never did receive a copy of it from RM and I have no idea who to reach out to in that group. I have reached out to the legal team and they need a copy of it.
Are you still looking for a copy of the contract?
I have no idea either. I have been looking through my emails and can't even find receipts.
I am officially caught up from binge reading and taking all this in. My initial feelings are of immense gratitude and VALIDATION. I am a 2020 MM, Inner circle, and lots of other 'this and that' offerings. In the end I have immense knowledge, mostly of what not to do, but sadly not a penny richer. Luckily I can provide for my family which I am grateful for. My story is a roller coaster even being threatened by what felt like the Chinese mafia, but for now I am taking all this in and acknowledging and appreciating some validation. Because I haven't felt that in a while. Failure and shame has been the more frequent visitor.
Yes, I don't know where to find copies of my contract either can anybody help with this?
I had not been to TrustPilot in a long time to read the reviews. I feel horrible for all the 5 star reviews. I know they must be new, only did the "challenge" course, or are still in the honeymoon stage.... but they are misleading so many people!
I remember when I went through the 7 day challenge that Stephen encouraged us to post good reviews and I have noticed that all the good reviews seem to be about the challenge.
I am passing along to others who were affected also.
I also passed it along to some of the girls in my pod who have had negative experiences thank you so much for giving us a way to fight back and a voice
Thank you for the resources Nicole. It’s amazing to have you on our side, not only speaking out but giving us ways to fight back against their misleading business practices.